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Re: YouTube: Iran
September 30, 2010
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Cute little buggers  :D" title="Evil" />  I wonder what the Iranian word for Kamikaze is...

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September 30, 2010
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They really do look cool. It would be awesome to see those in the honest-to-goodness civilian market.

Those would be great up in the bush in Canada and Alaska if the payload is decent.

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September 30, 2010
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Oh my goodness...it's an ekranoplan!  The Russians experimented with them for years, making some true monsters!  An intriguing concept that relies on ground effect to work.  (Or "water effect", if you will...)

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I was reading around the net about these Iranian ones, and some were saying that it can't be a true ekranoplan because they require ground effect to operate and the video clearly shows them rising higher than a wingspan length off the water (thus exiting "ground effect").  But these are such lightweight versions that I don't think they would have much problem popping up for little hops once in a while.  If you notice, the videos never show them that high for long.  I'll have to ask my Dad...or my brother...they're the ones with the aeronautical engineering degrees!

I can't really see myself being worried unless they produce them in the millions!

October 1, 2010
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I don't know, those things look more like a joke to me.  What is that on there, a two stroke lawnmower engine?  I doubt they have much useful payload.  Like Chuck said, they may do well a few feet above the water level, but passed that, good luck.  Stick a PT-6 on it, then we're talking.

October 1, 2010
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Michi wrote:I don't know, those things look more like a joke to me.  What is that on there, a two stroke lawnmower engine?  I doubt they have much useful payload.  Like Chuck said, they may do well a few feet above the water level, but passed that, good luck.  Stick a PT-6 on it, then we're talking.

My thoughts exactly!  It looks like a high-school science fair project!  It looks fine until you consider the engine in what appears to be some kind of afterthought modification lawn-mower engine attachment for one of those small pond boats that you have to peddle like a bicycle.

In all seriousness, though, what is the usefulness of something like this?  It doesn't appear to be able to do much, especially since it can't fly very high above the water.  I've never heard of ekranoplan's before, so I guess I don't know what the purpose/goal is for such a machine.

October 1, 2010
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I was going to explain what a Ekranoplane is, but this is a lot easier:

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Yeah, I'm not sure what good it will do for their military...

October 1, 2010
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Very interesting article, Michi.  I love Wikipedia!

The one section (referring to the Russian classification system) seemed to answer Chuck's question about whether their height off the water would negate their classification as a GEV (a more appropriate, generic name for Ekranoplan, according to the article):

"Type B can jump to clear obstacles by converting kinetic energy (speed) into potential energy (height), but cannot maintain flight without the support of the ground effect."

October 2, 2010
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The ideal military purpose that these things perform is the ability to have a manned platform fly just above the water below radar and approach the inner defense zone of a carrier battle group, undetected.

These are small manned aircraft, with low heat, and radar signatures. Ideal stealth characteristics. Add to that the fact that these fly just above the water, below radar, and in the scud zone of any radar that can pick them up, you now have an attack platform that is very hard to detect and defeat.

Depending on the carrying capability of these aircraft, they could get in close enough to fire air-to-surface missiles at a carrier. Also, because they are manned, they have the ability to choose their target of opportunity. And, I'm sure, they would probably have a secondary mission as a suicide aircraft.

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October 2, 2010
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I don't know, these things aren't very fast.  Carriers have the ability to pick up just about anything in their closer vicinity.  These flying lawnmowers which currently only have a machine gun on board can't be a big threat to a carrier group.  Remember those insane machine guns with radar tracking which can blow a surface missile to bits which are mounted on the carriers?  They will shred those lawnmowers to bits before they become a threat.

October 3, 2010
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True. But close in is considered to be 30-40 miles out.

Look at what the Exocet missiles did to the Royal Navy during the Falklands. The HMS Sheffield, and the Atlantic Conveyor were both sunk by Exocets fired from low flying aircraft.

That was back in 1982. Imagine what Iran could do today.

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