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CLE ranked as a dangerous airport
October 10, 2011
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seluryar
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This list mostly lists runway incursions, but mentions other major incidents.

 

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October 11, 2011
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This is CLE's response from the Facebook page:

"Cleveland Hopkins International Airport (CLE ) is an FAA-approved Part 139 airport, which means the FAA considers CLE to be a safe airport. Over the last several years, CLE has received stellar reviews from the FAA. Still, we have made significant improvements to the airport’s airfield, including extending one of the runways 1,000 feet and removing a dangerous intersection; closing the center runway which was a source of confusion; eliminating intersecting taxiways which caused confusion for pilots and ground traffic controllers, and recently completing the installation of EMAS (Engineered Material Arresting System) to both ends of the cross wind runway 10-28. Furthermore, a Runway Safety Action Team (RSAT) was established a few years ago to review and recommend new safety procedures. Several new safety procedures have been implemented based on the RSAT’s recommendations. All of these measures are to ensure our traveling public are safe. The latest ranking by Travel + Leisure is based on activity in 2005 and did not take any of these into account."

October 11, 2011
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Seems the EMAS install was a knee jerk reaction to the Delta Connection 6448/Shuttle America crash. Why don't they have the EMAS system on the main runways?

October 12, 2011
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I can only recall one runoff from the main runways in recent years, (XJT off of 06L in the snow) but I can think of two excursions off of runway 28, a lifeflight learjet and the DL Connection E170.  If the article is from 2005 I can see where it might be a bit biased or at least out of date.

 

The EMAS system is on 10/28, our shortest runway.  I don't know if that was the criteria used in deciding which runway to install it on.

October 12, 2011
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OK for once a news outlet in Cleveland did not sensationalize this report.  On Channel 19 News they did a "big board" analysis and mentioned that the reason why we were second place to O'Hare is because, while the raw number is 45 (compared to 75 incidents at O'Hare) is much lower, we also have less flights.

October 13, 2011
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I think the ranking is a bit ridiculous...  Other airports mentioned in that article had aircraft near misses that to me are a lot more "dangerous" than one or two airplanes going off the end of a runway.  Not to mention that those overruns were in snowy conditions.  A mid-air will end your day a lot quicker than just dribbling off the end of a runway...

October 19, 2011
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A couple years ago we were holding on a taxi way at CLE (Don't remember which) there was a 737 on final and a commuter crossed the runway when he was supposed to hold short.
It was strange to watch and the controller was trying to get his attention to hold, rather agressivly I might add.
The 737 had to go around. The commuter after crossing realized what he did and stopped.
He was pretty quiet.

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October 19, 2011
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ysitincoach said:

Seems the EMAS install was a knee jerk reaction to the Delta Connection 6448/Shuttle America crash. Why don't they have the EMAS system on the main runways?

 

Quick answer, it is not required on the 6s and 24s.  The FAA about 20 years ago started to require that runways used for commercial use (referred to as Part 139 runways) needed at least a 1000' runway safety area on the end.  Many runways that had already been built, did not meet this criteria due to roads, water, terrain, etc..., 10/28 being one of them.  In the 90's the EMAS system was developed and started to be installed in the late 90's and thoughout the 2000's where a 1000' RSA could not be made.  The RSA improvements are required when the runway itself has major work done on it, so with the rehabilitation of 10/28 that occurred this summer, the RSA improvements had to be done, and since making 1000' RSA was not possible, EMAS was added on the end of each runway to make the runway compliant.  Both 6s and 24s do have at least the required 1000' long runway safety area, so EMAS was not added to them.

 

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October 19, 2011
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Great explanation and a very interesting video, thanks.  I think the EMAS is a good idea, I just hope it never gets used.  10/28 was an accident waiting to happen, oh wait, it did...a couple of times.  My worst nightmare was an overrun of a large aircraft off of runway 10 and out onto busy Rt. 237.  Thankfully, that never happened, but it easily could have.  In addition to the potential loss of life, the airport itself would be crippled for a very long time with the main entrance closed down for an extended period.

If you haven't seen the EMAS system yet, you should take a drive along Rt. 237 near the airport entrance, and you can easily see it at the end of the runway.  It's quite impressive (at least I think so!)

October 20, 2011
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Thanks for the video - good explanation of the EMAS.  It does look pretty cool when you see it from 237.

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