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Major UA equipment changes for Cle starting 4/1
November 23, 2011
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Starting in April:

all  319   replacing co equipmnt

Ua  3  daily  cle/lax   

Ua  2  daily  cle/sfo  

Ua  2  daily  cle/mco 

 

Ua  2  dsily cle/den

 

co equipment  shifting to  Ord and Sfo

November 23, 2011
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Where did you see this?..isnt a A319  smaller then a 737-800?..more like the 737-700?..There are losing alot of capacity if they do.

November 23, 2011
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OAG listings  and  Ual.com/ Co.com

 

319   seats  120  738  seats 160   however   Cle and Lax-sfo seats for April  4/12  is more than  4/11

                                                                  3 vs 2 freq    and 2 vs 1 freq

November 23, 2011
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Are you saying no 737's in Cleveland?  This is the first I've heard such a thing...that would be a major change indeed.  I suppose anything is possible, but I hope it's not so.

November 23, 2011
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Chuck it looks like UA is adding flights to Den,Mco,Lax and Sfo..I dont see any cuts by CO.

November 23, 2011
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co will be cutting the flights---duplicates (see co.com) are now listed but will be dropped from these markets

737 will remain in all other markets

note major shifts in markets system wide

 

co adding fligts from den/sfo/ord/iad

ua adding flights from  Ewr to Florida  and California  along with Cle 

 

about 165 flight changes are up and listed for sale

November 26, 2011
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Some CLE feeder routes will be reduced, too. Some cities that used to get 3-4 ERJ's will be getting 2-3 ERJ/Dash8 flights. And apparently some Q400's will return to CLE-ORD.

 

If the recession bites, maybe fuel will come down making it cheap enough that flying the ERJ's will cost less than parking them. I don't think they can make money today even at CLE's yields. Of course, if recession bites, then demand will fall too and CLE will be reduced to preserve ORD.  In practice, CLE probably diverts more traffic from DTW than ORD, but the UA guys won't think that way. Nasty little box to be in.

November 26, 2011
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masseybrown said:

Some CLE feeder routes will be reduced, too. Some cities that used to get 3-4 ERJ's will be getting 2-3 ERJ/Dash8 flights. And apparently some Q400's will return to CLE-ORD.

So...Massey, are you confirming the Airbus rumors?  I asked at work and no one seemed to have heard such a thing.  But then again, maybe it's something that they "ought not to say?"  And our impression is that Colgan is going away at the end of this month...is this not so either?

I dread to think of what else we may not be getting told!??Frown

November 26, 2011
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On that "other website," a poster claimed that the A319s are merely placeholders for equipment for UA-operated flights (as are 738s for CO). So maybe there will still be tweaks between now and April 2012. I also read there that the single operating certificate (SOC) is supposed to take effect on 11/27 (while someone else said it was 11/30). There seems to be a lot of confusion and lack of clear communication right now. Anyone have the correct story?

November 27, 2011
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Chuck Slusarczyk Jr. said:

So…Massey, are you confirming the Airbus rumors?  I asked at work and no one seemed to have heard such a thing.  But then again, maybe it's something that they "ought not to say?"  And our impression is that Colgan is going away at the end of this month…is this not so either?
I dread to think of what else we may not be getting told!??Frown

A lot of 319's are in the spring CLE schedule to various cities; whether they're placeholders as guy44137 suggested, I don't know. If the CLE 737 pilot base gets further reduced, it kind of makes sense. Would they be placeholders for A320s? Maybe.

The point of my post was that UA keeps chipping away at CLE feeder routes, although this time the cuts are not disproportionate to simultaneous cuts at the other hubs.                                                                      

Colgan, as a entity, is supposed to disappear along with their Saabs on December 3, I believe. The Q400s will migrate to Pinnacle (Mesaba?). I don't know what will happen to the Saabs if Delta is held in at some of the EAS points they want to drop. In similar circumstances, DOT ordered Air Midwest to keep flying but Mesa (owner of Air MW) shut them down anyway and left the govt twiddling their thumbs. 

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