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Re: ATL blizzard
January 14, 2011
7:25 am
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I saw Mike Bettis talk about that last night, too.  :laugh:

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January 14, 2011
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yakc130 wrote:I saw Mike Bettis talk about that last night, too. 

Exactly what I saw too! I was just looking for the right words. Mike helped me along!

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January 14, 2011
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Here is an article for 28 Airport Snow removal vehicles ordered recently for the Air Force. 12.3 million just for the equipment. So if Atlanta did the same for a once in a decade snow event how would they warrant it? Raise landing fees? Airport Tax?

http:www.pitchengine.comoshkoshairpo ... rce76127

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January 14, 2011
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Mark Plumley wrote:

yakc130 wrote:I saw Mike Bettis talk about that last night, too.  :laugh:

Exactly what I saw too! I was just looking for the right words. Mike helped me along! :)

Was Stephanie Abrams there? I'm completely agree with Mark, how can you justify the cost for that? There isn't one. I agree with others about sucking it up and dealing with it because they get those storms once in a decade where we get them once a week. No pity there but I understand how it could shut them down without the essential equipment..... Stephanie Abrams, you are hot. :sex: :tongue9: :jerk:

January 14, 2011
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a civil airport would get it way cheaper than the airforce...they overpay for everything  :laugh:

January 14, 2011
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Mark Plumley wrote:No way guys. Sorry but I disagree. I cannot see the airport or city of Atlanta for that matter spending the dough. A regular highway plow is $250,000 each. Not to mention the upkeep and training, storage and supplies needed. You are talking 100's of thousands of dollars easily getting into the millions for a once in a decade event. Sometimes mother nature is just going to have to win in the south.

Mark, the problem is that a major snowstorm is no longer a "once in a decade" event for ATL.  There has been a major snowstorm there several times in the last five years.  Being a hub for two major airlines, ATL needs to be better prepared.

January 14, 2011
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No way. You are wrong in this one I am afraid. Average annual snowfall from 1971 to 2000 in Atlanta is 2.9 inches. Most of the time when it does snow it is melted within hours. The snow just does not happen often enough to warrant the millions of dollars you want to invest here.

Does the city itself need more than 10 snow plows? Yes! But the airport does not need to spend millions of dollars on equipment that is going to mostly just rust to nothing!

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January 14, 2011
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I knew it would be costly, but I had no idea it would be that much.  Still, though, I don't think I'm quite flipped.  The problem with averages is that they are...average.  There are lower and higher numbers.  Weather data has been kept for so long now that an average is becoming as useless as it is useful.  A city could experience a blizzard dumping 3 feet of snow and this factor would barely be a blip on the line indicating the average annual snowfall.  Even if snow events increase for Atlanta over the next several years, the average will remain largely unchanged.  By the time the "let-it-melt" snow removal crew gets things cleared up, there will have been thousands of flights cancelled, 10's of thousands of passengers stranded and millions of dollars lost.  The cost of preparedness is a small price to pay to prevent such a catastrophe.  Look at what is projected to happen to Continental's 4Q profits from the single event at the end of the year.  Granted, such a massive shut-down would pump millions into the local economy (hotels, food, entertainment), but we're not hotel-spotting enthusiasts.  We want to see profitable airlines so we can watch their uber-cool airplanes!  I'm not saying ATL needs to get as extensive of a collection as many northern airports, but at least a few important items to prevent a total shut-down would be responsible.  It's a significant public health issue to have that many people stranded with nowhere to go.  Preparedness is the responsible avenue and it will--in the long run--contribute to profitability.

January 14, 2011
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The other problem we are looking at here is that the removal we are talking about is usually no more than 3-4 inches. Maybe just a few more regular old snow trucks would do it. I can't see them using one of the regular blow snow 500 ft on 3-4 inches of snow.

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January 14, 2011
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The alternative would be to purchase vehicles that can also take a plow blade, much like the garbage trucks in NYC.

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